NEW Primary Arms SLx 1-8×24 FFP With ACSS Griffin X MIL Reticle

@William Do you need 10 power? If so, do you dial (i guess not because the turrets are capped)? If you wont dial: You will Kentucky Holdover. So, 10x 5x and 2.5x is what you want? Im just asking because 2.5x makes no sense to me to start with, and limit myself to 3 positions. But thats just personal preferences. So, 1x, 2x, 4x and 8x to me sounds better if I determed earlier that I will mainly/solely use holdover, and than can use these incremental magnification steps to easily convert the holdovers. Having 4 usable positions with a lesser magnification range! To me, who wants true 1x, even some 1-10x is weird because I would have some step in there not doubling, be it from 1, 2, 4, 8 to 10 or from 1 to 2.5, 5 and 10. Both of them make my brain cringe. So, me, whom was an advocate for the March 1-10x or the 10x Magnifcation Ratio in general when it was first released, even me is stepping down again just for the sake of even numbers. Thats why some March X 5-50 feels weird again: 50, 25, 12.5, 6.25... that makes no sense and some 8x magnification ratio suits better for doubling 3 times: 5, 10, 20, 40 like with the March FX D40. Anyways. Just giving you a bit of thoughts to make out on your own. If you like 2.5 to start with, and 10 to end with, you atleast have the 8x Ratio and can double 2 times.

@T243 The PA GLX 2.5-10X44 has magnification from 2.5 all the way to 10 not in the increments you mentioned. Also it has zero stop turrets so you can dial with it. I'm not sure what scopes you use where the magnification jumps but most scopes with variable magnification smoothly go all the way through their magnification range. The only scopes I have ever seen that jump are electronic scopes like thermal or night vision ones.

By the way William I have the 2.5-10x44 PA GLX scope and I love it. I think its a great scope for a SPR.

@William Walker I'd take a look at the Steiner Predator 4 or the Meopta Optika6 line before either of those. I have an Optika6 & for the $, it's nicer than any of the Made in China stuff I've looked through.

@William Walker You and your upvote totally dont got the point of doubling magnification because of the fact to have a mechanical set position to easy calculate from one zoom factor to the other the size of the reticle! Your reticle has, in this case most likely 10x, the set for the reticle size. If you dial or holdover, you sometimes need to do calculations - have fun doing them on 8.75x or 3.25x when you use your scope not at it designated 10x! The only easy method is doubling, therefor, your 10x HAS to be always multiplied or divided by 2, and the next position than again. So your 10x ends up with 10x, 5x and 2.5x as USABLE positions, which is only 3 positions to use in the field. My 1-8x ends up with 8,4,2 and 1x, so 4 usable positions in which I easily can convert numbers. You maybe should spend some time researching techniques of using scope reticles before deciding what trash you want to trow your money out for ...

@T243 That only happens with SFP scopes.

On FFP the subtensions are the same distance throughout the magnification range

@T243 Thanks for that insight. Never seen this approach where you factor multiples to make the math easier. So if your zeroed at 100M, and you zoom to 4x, would that end up being 400m? With so many LPVOs to choose from, I will now narrow it down to 1x-8x.

@T243 Perhaps you should do the same. What you said may be true of second-focal-plane variable-power (common) scopes, but first-focal-plane scopes maintain reticle fidelity and parallax at all points in their magnification range(if they are well-made).

The reticle expands as you zoom in. In fact, at minimum magnification, some reticles are hard to read, as I have experienced with another Primary Arms ACSS FFP 3-18x scope.

You should try one out. It will change your life.

@T243 dude your an idiot and your magnification theory is even more flawed than the australian covid theory, double that for an even number

@iksnilol Yeah, so what?

@T243 If you buy a proper FFP scope instead of a meme SFP you don't need to calculate your subtensions worth every time you adjust magnification. Thus your whole paragraph about 1-8x scopes being better than 1-10x makes no sense at all

I thought Germans were supposed to be smart

@Joe More or less 2-3 OEMs in China, Taiwan and Japan, assembling 90% of ALL scopes, not only the budget ones and not limited to LPVOs. Just the few AAA-Manufactures in Europe, Japan and very few in the US do this inhouse. Optical clarity, Edge distortion, chromatic distortion, Tunneling effect, all these factors than are something you have to spend your effort on by researching - be it by reading review text, or pictures threw the scope, or by inspecting them on your own. Check the next fair or gunshop, pick some sub-$500 Scope and put it next to a Top Tier NF, S&B, Swarovski or something else thats $2000+, and you will see easily by yourself what everyone is talking about. The PA optic in will most likely suffer Cromatic and Edge distortions, bad Eyebox and narrow FOV - like all the $500 LPVOs. Starting with the Steiner, Kahles or Leopold 1-4 you can expect some top notch quality for roughly $1000-1500 (brand new!)

@Joe My finish is always nutty. I had to say that before some other degenerate did.

I've heard the same thing about lower end Vortex and PA scopes being made in the same factory using the same glass. A friend just bought a PA and Vortex to compare and he liked the Vortex. I've read many reviews of the same scopes and some prefer the PA. It's probably a toss up when it comes to the budget scopes. Obviously when compared with anything higher tier they all look like crap.

@Joe So I was not super impressed with their 1-4 at all especially compared to other things available for the same price or less.

24mm is just a bit small even for a 1-4, on a 1-8 I imagine that wouldn't get any better.

@T243 I know of atleast 14 in china that i have contacted, 3 in japan, can name 7 in europe and atleast 5 in the states.

@marinepride In addition to Taiwanese/Japanese/Filipino owned Scopro and Japanese Kenko making scopes in the Philppines.

@marinepride Do you source products for OEM sales? That's interesting!

@Uncle Yar I did. Not currently

@marinepride It'd be nice to have a list of models and the country of origin of their respective models.

@marinepride Please state all 7 EU and 5 US self-assembling manufactures, would be nice to have this info gathered! Thanks

@T243 your like an energiser bunny stuck against a wall you don't know what your doing but you keep going anyway

@T243 Leupold, trijicon,nightforce, us optics ( the higher end ones) some sig, some vortex.

@nick soko Bring it on.

@T243 your so tough -with all your big words and abbreviations smdyff work that one out